Episode 88

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18th Feb 2025

From Heart Surgery to Happy Pelvis: Poop Strategies for Heart Surgery Patients

Hey to all of my heart friends. This episode may be a tad cringy at times. Sorry, not sorry.

Curious about what happens after open-heart surgery that no one else seems to talk about? Dr. Kelly Sadauckas takes us on a journey into a post-operative topic that’s often overlooked: pooping. This episode sheds light on the intricate processes involved in digestion and bowel movement and reveals surprising ways to prepare for and recover from surgery more smoothly. We do our best to make the complex world of gut health accessible and—dare we say it—fun!

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Poop is significantly and uniquely

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correlated to quality of life as we age, and especially as

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we have big scary surgical procedures. So

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the more that we can make it not so scary and

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uncomfortable to talk about, the better. Welcome to open

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heart Surgery with Boots, where this February we're

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going below the belt. That's right. We're

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diving into the surprisingly connected world of heart

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surgery and pelvic floor health in this five part

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series. Join me and our special guest expert, Dr.

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Kelly Sudakis as we talk about everything you're too

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embarrassed to ask your cardiologist. From what makes a

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happy pelvis, to getting your groove back after

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surgery, to yes, even the great post

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op debate. With candid

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conversations, practical advice and plenty of laughs,

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we're exploring the ups and downs of recovery.

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Because let's face it, healing happens from top

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to bottom. So buckle up for some real talk about the parts

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of recovery nobody warned you about. Hi,

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Boots Knighton here with Dr. Kelly Sudakis and

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we are bringing the pelvis floor

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game to you this month for Heart month. I hope you've enjoyed

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everything so far. This is episode four. We

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released a special one on Friday,

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Valentine's Day on sexy time. So if you

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missed that, be sure to go back and catch it. We kept it short and

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sweet, but if you are able to

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get a video of this somehow I know a lot of you just walk around

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with me in your ears and thank you. I'm so honored. But Kelly

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is rocking a poop hat

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in honor of our topic, which is pooping post open

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art surgery. I want to do my best to be

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professional here and also a human at the same time while I

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look at my friend. Yes. So

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welcome back, Dr. Kelly. Thank you so much

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for having me. Boots. It's an honor to be here. And

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part of the reason I'm wearing this hat is

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sometimes I don't. I can't believe it. But sometimes people don't like to

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talk about poop. I don't know. I don't know. But

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it is something that literally everyone poops. You poop, your

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parents poop, your friends poop, everybody poops. And so it is something that

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we really should feel comfortable and confident talking about.

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And poop is significantly and uniquely

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correlated to quality of life as we age and especially as

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we have big scary surgical procedures. So

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the more that we can make it not so scary and

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uncomfortable to talk about, the better. So, I mean, me and my silly poo

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pat, like, if this helps you be able to think about how often you're pooping

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or how much fiber you're eating, like without getting all queasy, then

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great. I'm so happy to be able to provide that.

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So to set the stage. Love it.

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Yes. Like, to set the stage of why pooping is

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important. Boots, tell me about your poop experience

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post your surgery. Yeah, it was

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epic. I couldn't poop

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for a minute there. And we hear about that a lot. A lot

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of times stool softeners are prescribed post any

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surgery. And I went to the hospital expecting

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that. So I wanted to be able to have a more natural experience.

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So I brought a special tea called I think Smooth

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Move. And I. By the time I

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drank it, I was. I. And I knew how important it was

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to go for like process post open heart surgery. And

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so I overdid it. I drank two glasses

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of it. So two tea bags. And it. Let's

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just say it worked exceptionally well to the point that I needed to

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utilize the services of all the CNAs on the floor. And

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then what that did was, it was embarrassing. It was in the middle of the

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night, which, I mean, they're there to work, but I was so tired, I

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needed to be sleeping. I had made a mess. It was just really so

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uncomfortable. Mind, body, spirit.

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Absolutely, absolutely. And so, you know, I. And we can't

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promise, like, oh, had you known this that it would have been different, but. But

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it might have been. And you know, there's going to be listeners where this will

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make a difference for them, so we are going to have some fun.

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Okay, quick question. If I show this to you, is it the

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right direction or is it backwards? Boots, it's the right direction. I think it's the

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right. Oh my gosh. Cameras are amazing.

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So not very many people understand what poop

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is. And so we are going to start off just explaining to you how

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your amazing, beautiful body makes poop in the first place. And

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along that journey, we are going to discover some ways that

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we can set ourselves up for success for the best post operative

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poop ever. Now, as with most things, the

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best time to start preparing your body for the first post operative

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poop is two months before your operation. Right. And not

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everyone, I mean, or 20 years.

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Like, we want to get a poop perfect as soon as our lives as

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humanly possible. The second best time to improve our poop

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function is right now. So if you're listening to this

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and you're 20 years old, medical student. Heck yeah. If you're listening

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to this and you're 70 years old after your first surgery and you're terrified

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Heck yeah. Welcome. This is going to help everybody. So those of you that are

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just listening, I'll, I'll take some amazing pictures of this and boots. We can put

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them in the show notes so people can download. But my first

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picture is all about poop.

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And the first thing that's involved in poop

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formation is what food and water go

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into the system first. Friends, if you're not eating

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enough food, you are not going to be able to poop. Okay?

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Food is fuel for your beautiful body. So

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we got to get fuel in. If there's no fuel in, you will not have

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stuff to push out in the poop. Additionally, we need enough

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water. Water. If without water we are going to not have great

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cognitive function, our bladder is going to be pissed off and we're going to have

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little rabbit turds. Without enough water, we will be

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constipated. But I could just interject. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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let's go back. Way to like Super 101.

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Like pooping is so important because it

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gets toxins out of our body.

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So. Yes, so yes. But

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more importantly, pooping is a

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reflection of how well our

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microbiome, and I will take that even back one step further in a

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second. How well our microbiome is digesting our food. Food to

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actually give us nutrients. So the microbiome is a, is

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a biota. It's little tiny bugs, not bad bugs,

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good bugs that live inside the tubes in your stomach

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and they help digest the food. When they

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digest the food, that's what makes these nutrients available for

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us to actually receive nourishment. And guess

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what? Those good little bugs that live inside of

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us, they need fiber. Fiber feed

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your microbiome. So if you don't eat any fiber, fiber is not

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just the stuff that forms the poop. It feeds your microbiome. If you don't

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eat any fiber, there's a chance that food could go through and you're

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only pulling out a little bit of the nourishment. So that's not okay

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either. Right? Like all of us, I think as I go through this

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full thing, that particular part will make a little bit more sense.

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So the food that's going in, we need enough food to actually form

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poop. So that's the first thing we look at. And as far

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as fluid ounces, we take your body weight in pounds

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and divide it by two and that is your target

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number of baseline ounces of water to take in a

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day, 75% of it, preferably non

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caffeinated, to make sure that we're actually getting hydrated stuff.

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If you live in a high altitude, if you're breastfeeding, exercising, then you actually

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need a little bit more than that bare minimum. But that's how you find your

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bare minimum for what your body needs. Fiber. We

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want 10 grams of fiber at every meal or meal

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snack combo for 20 to 30 grams

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a day. And most Americans specifically are woefully

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inadequate in fiber. But that's the basic that we need.

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As we're going to see as we travel down the poop's journey, that fiber is

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what's going to actually feed the good bugs that live in the tubes in our

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stomach to break down the food for us and get us nourishment.

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So food and water go in. We chew it with our very sharp teeth right

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here, chewing it and the saliva starts to

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break down the food so that those little bio tas, those little

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buggies, good buggies, can break, can get us the nutrients.

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It goes down the tube into the stomach where it gets all churned up

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with acid. Woo hoo. And if we have a gallbladder,

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a little extra shot of bile to further break stuff down.

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And now it's like a sludge, right? I know, it's, it's very, very fabulous.

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The sludge leaves the stomach and goes into your small intestine,

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which I have shown is just a little swirly do here. The

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small intestine is where those lot of those

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microbiome, those good bugs live. And they're going to eat the

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fiber. When they eat the fiber they're going to release all sorts of stuff that

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helps our body break down the food and absorb the

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nutrients. And if we don't have enough fiber, those little

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bugs can't do their job. And number one, we're not absorbing

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the food. And number two, the speed with which the food is going through

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the tubes is going to slow. And that's a problem.

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After the food goes through your small intestine,

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it goes through something called your cecum to your large

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intestine which is where water is

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resorbing. Now it's going to switch from sludge to looking more what we

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think poop should look like. The very

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end of the tube it's going to go through your sigmoid

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colon which is not to scale, but it's two 90 degree

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turns. Randy, the rectum here, hey.

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The poop comes down and then when it's ready to be stored before

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we eliminate it, it makes two 90 degree turns and then

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pressure of that formed poop

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on the internal anal sphincter

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tells us if we have to fart poop or if

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we're about to have a poop emergency and run to the

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bathroom. Holy heck, isn't that crazy pants. Thank you

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for the, the amazing drawing. And for those who are only

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listening and can't see, I'll make sure I even post some of these back

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pictures on Instagram for you. But that's a

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really helpful model. And you know, I wonder if that's even covered in

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health in high school these days. I don't even know to be

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honest. It's certainly not covered. You know, I went to PT school over 20

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years ago. We didn't cover functional medicine. Food

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is medicine at that point. And so much of that, you know, people think

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that it's just fiber to like just form the poop and so they

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oh, I'm just going to take this Metamucil and no, it's about so much more

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than that. It's about fueling the body, you know, and then there's a

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whole nother step. We have another of Dr. Kelly's famous stick figures

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here, like that rectum piece that

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when the poop's kind of entering in that holding zone, if we

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are dehydrated without fiber, that poop is going to spend

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way too much time in that tube. I'm going to feel

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ucky. And then when the poop comes down, if that

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rectum is resting too tight, it's very hard to open

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the door and relaxing the rectum. We

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talked about this in one of our first videos together. But we're going to recap

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because some people are just going to be here for the poop. They want to

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get the shiz on the poop. The

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pelvic floor muscles are like an elevator that's meant to live

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on the ground floor of a four story building. And most

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pelvic problems, including constipation. A part of that problem is the

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pelvic floor resting too tight. And that too tightness of the

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rectum puts the brake on all of this shiz traveling

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through the intestine. So it keeps the stuff in the tube more longer than it

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should, which makes it harder. Boo. But

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additionally, when that pelvic elevator rests on

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the ground floor, which is where it's meant to be, and we can do something

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called bearing down, which is not straining. It is a gently

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blossoming of just your pelvic floor muscles. That dropping

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and opening of the rectum is the cue for your colon to

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push your poop out. So just like your

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bladder pushes your Pee out. We should never strain to pee. Your

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colon should push your poop out. You should never strain to have a

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poop. And then technically your uterus should push a baby out. So, you

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know, talk to, talk to me later about that.

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But if someone's dehydrated and they have this tight pelvic floor and they're

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sitting, sitting on a toilet that's really high

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and their hips are higher than their knees, that actually also makes it

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harder for the body to succeed. So shifting

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gears. If we didn't know about all of this before

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our surgery and now we're really scared about the

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first post operative poop, things that can help. Take the stool

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softener. Absolutely. In the hospital

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bathroom, get a squatty potty or a small stool to put your feet

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on so that your knees can be high than

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your hips. Relax your pelvic

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floor to the best of your ability. Do some of these nice belly breaths

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where the belly gets bigger and the pelvic floor softens and

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drops down. And if you feel like you have to

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push, don't push. That's too much pressure, especially if you've had the

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sternotomy. So take a couple of folded sheets

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and push them against your

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lower belly like so while

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you breathe out and try to relax

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and blossom the pelvic floor. Those are the things

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that you can do to help set yourself up for

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success. Does that make sense? Boots. Do you have any questions? And we

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also talked about that. The risk of cardiac events if you

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bear down. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Your doctor never wants you

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to. Yeah. If we squeeze. And there

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have been instances of people having cardiac events on the toilet

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when they're just trying to force poop out. And that is something that

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is completely avoidable if we just know to talk about it

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and know that there's help. And if all of this is feeling a little

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overwhelming, like, please don't let it be overwhelming, see this as a blessing

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and a gift. That. Oh, wow. I can't believe how much I didn't know. And

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seek to learn more. Um, you know, my online courses teach you about relaxing

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your pelvic floor. Boots and I, after this, we're going to guide you through a

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specific pelvic floor relaxation. There's probably pelvic floor pts

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near you. I, I have a great blog, how to find a pelvic floor PT

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near me. Go look at it. You know, email me if you have

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questions about trying to find someone near you. Because this is something

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that beyond just heart clients. This is important for everyone,

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but it's especially important. Important for her clients.

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Now the one other thing we can do, boots to set ourselves

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up for this great post surgical poop or to

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jumpstart our poops is the best belly massage

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ever. Oh my gosh. And guess what? Yeah, I

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drew something. Oh, man,

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you really brought your A game today. Thank you, girl. Thank you.

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I know. We'll make sure you guys all have downloads of these. I'll. Maybe I'll

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sign a couple. We can like frame them. So yeah, put a TM

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or a copy, right? Oh my gosh.

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It's amazing. So what that and those of you who

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are watching, you got to see this. Those of you listening again, come find boots

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show notes because you'll get a downloadable for that PDF. But

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belly massage is important for

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a million reasons. Number one

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is heart surgery stressful. Life's stressful.

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Being constipated is stressful. Stress

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elevates the tone of that pelvic floor and heightens our sympathetic nervous system,

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which is fight or flight, which slows

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digestion. So rubbing

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your belly, especially while we are practicing

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relaxed breathing, calms that sympathetic

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system. It helps promote rest and digest

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to move poop through the tube faster. So

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post operatively, you can be laying in

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bed and I'm going to show this for those of you watching. You can have

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a hand, you know, at the bottom of the sternotomy incision so we know we're

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nowhere near there. And you can rub your sweet

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little belly very gently in little clockwise

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circles all the way around your belly

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button. This gentle rubbing and you're going to do

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that with soft belly breaths wherever it feels comfortable.

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And if you're not comfortable touching the skin for whatever

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reason, do it over your hospital gown at even the

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most gentle pressure will stimulate your lymphatic system, which

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is extremely beneficial. And doing that sunflower

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massage is what we call it for three to five minutes

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helps improve the mobility of all of the nerves that

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go to the colon to help make poop.

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And that belly breathing helps

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calm the fight or flight system. The belly breathing

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stimulates rest and digest. It helps you relax your pelvic floor.

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All things that are going to help the body move the literal

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crap through the system. Right. And post operatively

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clearing the medical crap. Absolutely. We need to get that

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med. The medicine was amazing while you were knocked out. We got to get it

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out of your system now. So you would do that?

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Can I interrupt? Because I have a question? Yeah, yeah. And I'm thinking about

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everyone who's listening with me. So like for me and This

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I think will be for most open heart surgery patients. I had two

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tubes coming out like probably at

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least 2 to 3 inches below my boobs, but in the center.

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Right. And so can you still do that massage? So that's a

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great. Yeah, no, that's a great call. I forgot about the ports for drainage.

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Yeah, so you could. But thank you. It would just be right down here if

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you have those ports. I was, I was honestly thinking more of angioplasty when we

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went up through the groin. Forgive me, but yeah. So you

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would do these little circles more down like again, like wherever the

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ports are. Hand on the ports and just beneath the belly

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button. Then. Thank you. Boots. So that there's no tension on

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where those ports are coming in. Right. If for any

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reason your doctor says no, again, everyone's going to be

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unique, then just the lightest hand pressure over

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that lower inguinal groin region is going to be

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extremely beneficial. That is one of your main

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lymphatic dump areas and

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there's a whole lot of lymph clearing that needs to happen. And

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then once the ports, once the drains come out,

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then we can talk with the surgeons about exactly what happened in your

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case. Typically it'll be that light pressure is going to be

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allowed as soon as things are covered up and sealed. And then

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soft tissue healing wise, anywhere from four to six weeks

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post procedure when we would start to use kind of a deeper pressure around that

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area. But that's where an in person medical provider can

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really help you there deciding when you can start to put more pressure. But

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that lower area, belly button and below is typically fair

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game. Right? Well, and something

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else that I've noticed in my own journey, I'm just thinking

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just a simple act and I'm asking your professional opinion

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here. I'm just finding just simple. The simple act of putting your hand

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even right around the drains in the hospital and just sending it

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like love and talking to your body.

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Because like for instance this morning I went to the gym before this

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recording and I'm working on a few. I mean I'm always

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working on something in there. But like I should be

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like kind of my go to now is I like visualize the

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movement before I do it and then it's amazing like, and I

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talk to my body parts that I'm trying to get to move and

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executing that movement. And I can only

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imagine just a simple act of setting and sending an

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intention to that part of the body to,

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to work, get to healing. Post open heart surgery, I would need to

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be Reminded if I were like, I'm just putting my, you know, it's four years

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ago today that I had my surgery, and I just

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remember how much of a fog I was in. So I would need someone to

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overtly remind me to do that. But, like, we

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have power to heal ourselves is my point. Yes. And even

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just that power of your hand over the drainage spot, or just your hand,

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or a partner or a loved one's hand on your lower

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belly and belly breathing, that helps

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show your brain that it's okay to pay

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attention to the body again. The brain does not understand what just

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happened in that open heart surgery. It. It doesn't know that that just

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saved your life. It just knows. Holy shit, that was scary.

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And how the brain's going to protect us is going to be to separate, to

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dissociate from whatever it can. And that dissociation

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is what results in a lot of these musculoskeletal

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changes that we can address

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calmly and specifically and gently. But it's, you know,

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one step at a time. So, yes, just that gentle hand pressure there while you

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belly breathe. If we don't feel comfortable touching, maybe you're not allowed to.

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Maybe you had something happen up the groin. Right. There's lots of things that can

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go up the groin during these surgeries. Right. Just putting the hand on the

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belly can be very beneficial to speak to the

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visualization. There is so much

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science behind that in athletic

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performance, in healing, in life, when you

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visualize something happening, nearly all of

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the same sensory motor pathways are

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stimulated as when you actually do it. So you're helping your

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brain. You're visualizing standing up, easy, walking to the bathroom, sit down,

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having the best poop of your life standing up. Again, it does all of

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those things without the metabolic demand of actually

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making the muscles work. So it's great practice.

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And, you know, so that is that visualization. And then it has your

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body practice going through that poop scenario without

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terrible pain, without the blowout, and that helps it

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gain confidence. So that is, yes, so valuable. Thank you

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for bringing up that visualization. I actually recorded a whole

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episode on Visualization way back towards the beginning of

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this podcast because I, I visualize my

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surgery going well and I visualize myself thriving

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post open heart surgery. And it works. So important, so

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important. And again, in the Western medical model, we are a

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sickness model. We are not a primary preventative

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wellness, and we are not holistic as we should be. So thank

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you for bringing that out to people. Now,

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later, post heart surgery, like, you know,

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we're past four to six weeks, all the drains are out. We're doing pretty good.

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Then you can advance to the full

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blown best belly massage

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ever. And that's where we start off with

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three to five minutes of that whole belly going

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in clockwise, circles, clockwise around the belly button.

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Belly breathing the whole time. And we are mobilizing

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skin on fat, on fascia, on

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organs, on muscles, on fascia, on organs,

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on all of the things. And it is so healing.

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And what you're feeling for is you're feeling for these sweet belly

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tissues to feel like perfect bread dough or

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soft pizza dough. And if you've never made bread or pizza, that's your homework.

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You got to go make some so you understand what we're feeling for. And when

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you sit down and you relax, that's what your beautiful tummy should feel

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like. And the first time you do this, like six weeks post open

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heart surgery is not going to feel like soft belly

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dough or soft pizza dough. It's going to feel like peas and

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carrots or like strings or like you're going to

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push on a spot. I have a little adhesion here and like, instead of like,

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here's good. There's like a little weight. If you can see, great. If you can't

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listen, I'm pushing on one side of my belly and there's like a wave of

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tissue and then I get to the midline and the wave stops and there's like

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a little divot in. I have an adhesion there. I can

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work on that gently. I keep it because it's perfect for

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demonstration purposes and it's not

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causing me any functional issues, so I don't care. I keep it there. But

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we notice that. And then we do this for about three to five

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minutes while we belly breathe. And then we put our flat hand

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right over our belly button or a bit lower and we do

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what very technically called smushing. We push to the

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right and then to the left and gentle pressure,

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whatever feels comfortable. We're never going to push into any, like, sharp pain.

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And I see what way it goes further. And usually it's

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going to go further in one direction than the other. That's the way

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I want to push to. I'm going to push into ease. So if I

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go left and then right and it's harder for me to go

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right, I push into ease and I belly breathe

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for again, three to five

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minutes. Friends, what this is doing.

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We have fascia throughout our whole body.

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Most of us are familiar with the it band and the knee that's

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a big band of fascia. It's gristly tissue.

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Fascia of the legs and the arms. Like, we can be kind of

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rough with it, and it will respond. Fascia of your

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belly is protecting very vital organs. So if you

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poke in there aggressively, it will actually

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tighten further. And this is a

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contractile tissue that you're not in charge of. This is just something that happens. So

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if I do that smushing and I push to the

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left and push to the right, and the right's hard, and I just kind of

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try to force it, the body's gonna sense

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maybe something's not right. It's gonna keep tension. But if I smush

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into ease the way it wants to go and belly

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breathe, it says, oh, this is okay. And after three to five minutes,

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it will soften at that fascial level. And

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now you've reduced compression forces on these nerves that are going to your

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digestive bits. And your poop system's gonna work better,

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folks. It's amazing. It's dang near a miracle. And it's

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minutes, not seconds. You could then repeat it in another direction.

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Usually we just tell people to do it like one direction at the start for

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time, and then the final piece of

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mobilizing all the nerves, we call colic

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massage. But in reality, we're not actually massaging the

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colon. The colon is the name for the large intestine, right. And.

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And typically, there's this massage called I love you. Where you go

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here at your descending colon here,

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transverse, and down. So you go down on the. Wait, rights and

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lefts. Here we go down on the left side of your body, and then across

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and down, and then you make, like, a big U. But I think the way

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that we like to teach it a little bit better, forgive me.

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Is we actually try to start down here at the sigmoid colon where

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Randy the rectum lives. And if we looked at the

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picture, it's that holding space for the poop that has to

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do two 90 degree turns. So laying

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down sitting with a relaxed tummy, you go deep to your

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low left side and you pull

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three to five times. If you have zero pain, you

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can do medium pressure. If this hurts for any reason, you can just do the

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lightest pressure three to five times. And now we've kind of

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cleared the sigmoid colon to help the poop move

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better. And more importantly, we've cleared the nerves that go

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to the sigmoid colon to help it work better. That's actually what we're

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clearing. Following that, we do the descending

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colon. So we put our hands just below our left rib cage, push

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in and down into that sigmoid colon where we started

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the last one. And then we release three to five times

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straight down. And ideally, you're laying down or sitting down with a

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perfectly relaxed belly. Now I've cleared

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descending and sigmoid, so now I do transverse. I

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go from my under my right ribs straight across

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three to five times. This might be the spot that's the most

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tenuous if we've had the sternotomy and the

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ports. So again, even the lightest pressure is fine, but we do want to

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restore normal mobility there. Second to last is

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ascending colon, which is lower right hip,

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pressing in and lifting straight up three to five

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times. And then finally the cecum, which is

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where your small intestine meets your large intestine

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three to five times. And if we can

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do all three of those, oh, my gosh, triple gold

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star. But even just one of them with the gentlest

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pressure can help that neurological system and help you have the best

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poops ever. And this is kind of like a

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lifelong thing that we can master it right now and benefit the rest of our

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lives. So I hope you enjoy it. Oh, yes. And

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I guess order matters. Like, if you're going to do all of

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them, you need to clear the bottom first. There is. Yeah, there's

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a reason. And then order does matter. And sunflower before smushing,

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before colic massage. Yes. And

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anything's better than nothing, so don't let you know. Perfection

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be the enemy of good enough. Just touching the belly is going to matter

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in a positive way. Wow. I know, right? And,

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yeah, you are so welcome. Thank you so much for having me.

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Yeah. This has been so enlightening, and

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I. I hope that for y'all listening that

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you will put this to practice. And this

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is free. You get to do this for free. And that's the whole point

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of the series and of this podcast, is that I want to give you as

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much for free that you can do on your own in your. In the

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comfort of your own home or hospital bed, to make

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sure you have the easiest path forward to

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healing as possible.

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Absolutely. Thanks so much for having me. And if you guys are also

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interested in diving in a little bit more to the pelvic floor.

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Floor. I do have a wide variety of online courses

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available for streaming from the comfort and privacy of your own

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home. We're offering OHS

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2025 open heart surgery. OHS

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2025. You're going to get 25 off courses.

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And there's a lot that are very specific to

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surgeries or incontinence. And then there's the Treasure Chest, which

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is all of my veritable knowledge. And that's

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where Poop Lab will exist. And that's the one that's

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all about poop. And that's fun because that's just a low monthly

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subscription rate. So we want to help as many pelvises as possible.

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Also, our Instagram has a lot of free silly stuff and the blog

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is also a treasure trove of information to help you have the best

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poop, pelvis and heart of your life life. So I'm

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so glad you're here, Boots. Thank you so much for offering me this chance to

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be on your show. I just am here for the poop hat. I have one

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at work too. I know that won't shock you.

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Oh wow. Well, you've heard it here, everyone. Thank you so much for

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being here. I hope you've been part of this entire series. If you're

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just finding us thanks to poop, then welcome.

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We are so glad you are here. Here. And be sure to go back and

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get the rest of the series because

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it's all. It's all such necessary information that I really

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wish I had had when I was facing open heart surgery.

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So remember, I love you. You matter. Your heart is

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your best friend. Be sure to come back next week for more with open

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heart surgery with Boots.

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About the Podcast

Open Heart Surgery with Boots
A podcast for heart patients by a heart patient
Formerly called The Heart Chamber Podcast, Open Heart Surgery with Boots airs every Tuesday for conversations on open-heart surgery from the patient perspective. Boots Knighton explores the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual experiences of surgery with fellow heart patients and health care providers. This podcast aims to help patients feel less overwhelmed so you can get on with living your best life after surgery. You not only deserve to survive open-heart surgery, you deserve to THRIVE!